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Thursday, October 1, 2009

GOD DOES NOT LOVE THE WORLD AND HE DOES NOT HAVE ONLY ONE BEGOTTEN SON!!! PART 1.




(First of all, Happy Naija Independence day to everyone. Now back to the topic at hand).
John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Every Christian that is serious with their religion will know this passage of the bible very well and will not waste any time to quote it as the proof of God's love for humanity and as the blue print for eternal salvation . Most of my points will be from the bible since most of our blog followers are christians who would not believe anything outside the bible.
There are three points raised in this very popular verse of the bible
1. That God loves the world or simply put he loves everyone
2. That the same God has ONLY one son
3. What you must do to be saved

Because of the long nature of this post, I will touch on points 1 and 2 today, and the last point 3 shall be saved for a later date.
1. THAT GOD LOVES THE WORLD OR SIMPLY PUT HE LOVES EVERYONE.
That God loves everyone is an illusion most christians would like to force down to people when its very clear in the bible that God sometimes choose those he like and those he don't . Infact God so much hate the world that when he is in his moods he can pick up the phone and call the devil and they play gamble with people's lives. In
Leviticus 20:23 God said
"And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them." in
Malachi 1:3 God said
"And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. "
In Romans 9:13 God said
" Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."
These are just but a few verse in the bible that shows that the  God of the bible is not very loving like he is claimed to be

2. THAT THE SAME GOD HAS ONLY ONE SON
so many bible believing christians believe that God has only son when their bible that they believe and quote from everyday states otherwise,
Adam was also God's son.
Adam, which was the son of God. Luke 3:38
Some of God's sons had sex with women producing a race of giants.
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all
which they chose. ... There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of
God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them. -- Genesis 6:2-4

Satan and his companions were sons of God.
The sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD,
and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. -- Job 2:1
God's sons were present when the universe was created.

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the
morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? -- Job 38:6-7
Christians are God's sons.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God. -- John 1:12

These above examples, have shown that Jesus was not the only son of God and that there were "Sons of God" who came before him. The question is: Has the Interpretation of the "Son of God been taken out of context"?  I shall touch on my third point later on.
TO BE CONTINUED!!

BY BLASPHEMY!!

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46 comments:

EDJ said...

I'm gonna read the rest of your post later, but the image you chose is plain stupid. Its not even about whether or not Mary is the mother of Jesus, its just insulting to talk about somebody's mother like that. Regardless of whether or not the person lived thousands of years ago or yesterday. What has the image got to do with the post?
Just FYI.

Fabulo-la said...

Do you do this on purpose?
Or do you really believe these things?

Controversy said...

Lol EDJ...
Well i chose that image, blasphemy wrote the post.
Now if ur going to take issue with the image, well yeah am to blame for that. I thought it was funny actually, now if ur going to burn me @ a stake for choosin that pic. Go right ahead.
Fabuola
Well i believe in what we say, and am pretty sure blasphemy believes in it to.
What exactly would we be doing on purpose? "asking question"? or "stating truth"..
Because we state truth on purpose

Enoch said...

@EDJ
I agree its insulting but you've got to lighten up. I know some folks would argue that it was equally insulting to our intelligence that she would lie about immaculate conception. Besides she was the mother of God right? If God can't stand up for his mother I don't think you should.

@Controversy
Got any more pix religious folks would find distasteful? Gimme links.

@Fabulo-la
Question your beliefs.

Sacred said...

This post does not warrant anybody's sweat.
Lighten up Enoch says....
I am sorry, but I thought that this was an intellectual and maybe just maybe a place where truth might come out.

PS to the writers...I request to be taken off as contributor. I do not really feel like I can associate with this.

It was a nice run...

Myne Whitman said...

Blasphemy, are you the alter-ego for Controversy? If not then nice to meet you. Did C tell you I am his new hit man? LWKMD.

1. Loved the world, NOT everyone

2. Only BEGOTTEN son. did you see the middle word?

Don't re write the bible in your quest to blaspheme or it wouldn't be real anymore.

Anonymous said...

".....its just insulting to talk about somebody's mother like that"

I am sooo sorry EDJ...i just had to burst out laughing....
were you joking with that line.or were you serious??

ahhhhh...wahala dey...

i LOVE your passion for respecting mothers...

for real

Controversy said...

haha @ Anonymous..
Like seriously EDJ? U couldn't find any other reason to disagree with the post, u have to pick on the picture?
But umm sacred, wats wrong? Damn i didn't even think this post was that bad, but it sucks to lose you though. Lol @ can't associate with this..Damn
@ Enoch
I got the picture from a friend's facebook ish o.

@ My new hitman
Lol alter ego ke? That dude is as real as u. Blasphemy please show thyself to the woman, she wants proof that u indeed exist. Funny how as a human she wants proof that u are not an alter ego, but when it comes time for her to apply that same "proof wanting" to Godly things. She hangs unto her faith.

Enoch said...

@Sacred
Don't be a quitter. Emulate the Nazarene. He took nails in his limbs to save you right? What would you do when God asks you@the pearly gates why you did not bring Controversy and friends to Christ? You'll go like "Lord, na one hideous portrait cause am"?

Myne Whitman said...

C, it must be just you, I never asked for no proof. Just introducing myself to the new guy through small talk. But now I wonder, hmmm....LWKMD

Controversy said...

@ My new hitman.
Nawww blasphemy is as real as u ...
No suspect nothing

@ Enoch
Lol @ emulate the nazarene. I cannot for the life of me understand why she would quit

Anonymous said...

As for your first point...im tempted to believe u but i would not. I still believe he loves us all even though not equally.I will go back and read the whole of those portions u mentioned to understand the context in which it was said.
However, i think u missed it in your second point...the verb in the middle is begotten...which means to procreate an offspring. Yes! Every Christian is a son of God but Jesus was his only begotten son....which links us back to your first question.
How else do u explain such an action of God sending his only true divine son to save the world through his blood?I think that is love!
Mercy.

Controversy said...

Hmm Mercy
Only Begotten son, means that Jesus was the only one who was procreated? So by whom was he procreated by? God and mary? or the Holy Spirit and Mary?
Because if Jesus was the offspring of the procreation of Mary, then Jesus would be the son of the Holy Spirit not the Son of God? Abi?

ttlolla said...

@ Blasphemy:

You and controversy are so alike and am happy this post aligns with the ORIGINAL vision of this blog

TO INCENSE PEOPLE!!!!!

lol

Sacred said...

@Enoch
I am not here to bring people to Christ. If you don't realize that by yourself...then I won't be blamed for it. And I am not a quitter. I have four blogs, and I do well enough to keep out of blogs that I don't feel like they are doing anything to help me grow, or pursue truth.

@Controversy,
the blog was probably fine. You have question Jesus, thats fine. But the picture was downright rude and insulting. I am not even catholic and I find that its not all about finding truth...but you guys really have a knack for bashing. So I found that this is not a place for truth...( whatever truth means to each one of you or you the creator)

The immaculate conception can be questioned or disproved on the basis of it alone. However, Jesus being conceived without sin is possible. (Don't want to go through mother-child womb separation)
Now what you are questioning is the miracle, and not the act. ie the miracle of jesus being conceived by means of the holy spirit.

As for the post...It is usually a good idea to understand what you are trying to criticize. That is one of the basic rules most people do not learn well.
Especially with point 2, I saw a very lax understanding of Christianity. No one has ever claimed that God had one son...he has one begotten son true...but the angels were sons of God. Christians are also called children of God.

HYAW said...

Blasphemously controversial, what a message! as usual these are just full of speculations and angry imaginations. Sacred, since this blog is about saying what you believe, i believe you could just stay and write whatever you truly believe. that's just a suggestion though.

Controversy said...

@ Sacred
Honestly I thought u would appreciate the humor of the picture. Goddamn, i mean if u were seriously seriously catholic I would understand, but ur own ppl left the catholic churrch and formed the protestant church. That in itself is very very disrespectful...*Commends himself for that comeback*

Controversy said...

Lol @ ttolla.
Hahaha @ to incense people, my sister if the truth be blasphemous so be it o.

@ Hyaw
I agree with what you said, if what we are saying is a lie, you fight lies with truth.

sunnyside said...

I like the way everyone says what he or she has in mind without being burnt at a stake.

So i ll like to ask, before i can listen to you guys or drop any contribution. ,
how old are you guys
What do you know abt life. . ? I ll like to know who am listening to. . A matured mind talking about things he's sure of or a dissappointed kid simply blurbering .

Enoch said...

@sunnyside
"A matured mind talking about things he's sure of or a dissappointed kid simply blurbering."

Spoken like a true believer. The matured thing to do would be to judge the message for what it is and ignore the messenger. If you have confidence in the quality of your convictions, you'll expect them to hold their own against any opposing view regardless of who bears them.

Anyways, am 2 yrs going on 3.

@Sacred
Quitting is for losers.

Controversy said...

@ Sunnyside.
Wonderful question, and in answer to your question. I would say that there are no disappointed/bitter ppl here.
But lol i'll wait for blasphemy to answer your question.

Sacred said...

@Controversy...
My own people?
You are talking to a gal whose mother and grandparents were strictly Catholics for as long as I could remember. my father was protestant...but that never stopped me from attending mass. I also went to a boarding school in Kenya where every Sunday, I attended mass.
My "own people" as you term it ignorantly left the Catholic church because of bureaucracy...and minor disagreements in theology.
Apparently you do not know me very well, if you had even the slightest inclination that I would appreciate the crude humor in that picture.
Something you might want to know about me...I have learned to respect all religions and their archetypes. It is the same offense I would take to someone taking on a picture of Buddha and desecrating it. It is plain disrespectful and a show of immaturity.

@ Enoch
Okay I am a quitter. I am a loser. Never really attested to the opposite of that.
But either way, I do not want to be associated closely with this kind of religious butcherism facaded as a pursuit of truth. I do not want to be part of what my colleague says to be "rage of teenage boys hormones"

Controversy said...

@ Sacred
Hmm ok, accept my apology. But the pic is what it is. Mary is not your mother, and some claim she was a prostitute. So forgive me honestly, if i do not share the same sentiment that u have.

Sacred said...

wow...you need to work on your way of apologizing.
anyways it is what it is.

Enoch said...

@Sacred
How much is the truth worth to you? Is it worth a fleeting moment of disgust? Is that cost too much? You like your truth sacrifice-free?

Focus on the prize.

@Controversy
Prostitute? Never heard that before.

Controversy said...

Lol i've heard it o, same way they claim she was a virgin, is same way they claim she was a prostitute.
I faintly remember blasphemy touchin on the prostitute subject in his conception of Jesus article

Enoch said...

@Controversy
LOL@"same way they claim she was a virgin, is same way they claim she was a prostitute. "

I recall Blasphemy claiming her son was a bastard, don't recall him saying there was a transaction involved. Oh well.

Controversy said...

Lol sacred..
U know me, if i had known this pic would have gotten u riled up. Then i would have taught twice about it.

@ Enoch
lol i swear that I remember reading that, mary was disowned or somn and she ended up in the street. I could swear that i read it in the bible i made up for myself.

Sacred said...

@Enoch...
as you have pointed out before. I am a loser, I am a quitter. what can I say...we Christians are stupid, uneducated and pretty much cowards. We do not know the meaning of sacrifice, and we are just plain scums. But hey, thats why the world has people like you, Blasphemy and Controversy. Smart, educated, rational, and all that.

as for truth, I found my truth. I don't know what kind of truth you are looking for...but I found what I was looking for.

@ Controversy...
its done. i am not taking it so much as a personal jab. But I am looking at it from a perspective of personal integrity. I would not want to be associated with anyone who sees its okay to put out jabs like that for fun...or for reactions.

Controversy said...

Lol ok i get what ur saying sacred.
Personal integrity is important as well... So religious cartoons do not appeal to u then? Even if they are slightly slightly funny? That is understandable

Enoch said...

@Africanqueen
No one called you a loser or a quitter. I only advised against quitting. Please stop deriding and stereotyping Christians. Some of the sexiest/smartest Chics I know are followers of Christ.

As for Christians being cowards, I think you just gave me an idea for my next post.

However, your truth is empty. It is proudly based on proof-free beliefs. Just like every other baseless feelgood sentiment(Easter bunny, Santa Claus), it has no real value besides the effect in your head.

Calling it truth won't change anything.

Don't be a quitter.

Sacred said...

@ Controversy...
yours was not a cartoon. Nor was it funny. It was crude.
I understand that sex is a big part of our society today...but that was uncalled for.

@ enoch...
thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will be changing my name back.
as for you having Christians friends...Congratulations.
proof? you haven't proved to me more than I can prove myself if I was set to not see beyond my skull.
I imagine your next post will be about Cowards in religion. Do your research first before you do.
Aha...the happy good feeling that comes from a certain chemical mix...right?

as for quitting. I have four other worthy blogs I dedicate my time to. Leaving this one is necessary to keep my integrity. I am sure you will understand that

Controversy said...

it was a crude/uncalled for picture...
I agreee

Enoch said...

@Sacred
"you haven't proved to me more than I can prove myself if I was set to not see beyond my skull."

Well, I climbed a hill yesterday and saw a burning bush that wasn't quite burning and God said I should tell you to have faith that he isn't real.

If I may ask. What exactly is your beef with the picture? Are you upset at its claim because there is no supporting evidence or you'll still be upset even if she told you herself she had a fetish for taking it from the back? Would it still affect your integrity if it was Mrs Yar'adua?

Controversy said...

Hahaha that's what am saying Enoch.
Like what is wrong with her takin it from the back? I just do not understand the anger

Gentian Sage said...

You have stated something that is misleading. The translation of the Bible that you must have used is calling Satan and his companions "sons of God." Duh-- that is what they ORIGINALLY were. But at the time of the verse, when these so-called "sons of God," who in actuality are fallen angels, these beings were DEMONS, not angels in right-standing with God. If you are going to quote the Bible, do so with class, dignity, intellect, and respect. I am not Muslim or Buddhist, but if I were trying to argue against those religions using the text, I would make sure I quoted the text in fair context.

Anonymous said...

Very offensive picture.

Anonymous said...

Very Very offensive picture

Today's ranting said...

I find this post really weird. What are u really trying to get at?

Controversy said...

Gentian Sage
satan was called the son of God in Job..

Reine D'Afrique said...

@Enoch,
yes...but this is not a Mrs so and so..

it was a blantant disrepectful of a religious figure.
that is not cool no matter what kind of truth u r seeking

BLASPHEMY said...

Blasphemy, are you the alter-ego for Controversy? If not then nice to meet you. Did C tell you I am his new hit man? LWKMD. i am not an alter ego for anyone or a hit man

1. Loved the world, NOT everyone = and the other people he doesn't love are from where MARS i guess

2. Only BEGOTTEN son. did you see the middle word? if i was blind i won't be writing this but i guess i don't, weda begotten or ill begotten the point is that God has so many kids and i rember i posted something about this subject in this blog feel free to read it

Don't re write the bible in your quest to blaspheme or it wouldn't be real anymore.

BLASPHEMY said...

@ttola thanks but na question we de ask
@anonymous How else do u explain such an action of God sending his only true divine son to save the world through his blood?I think that is love! y do ur God need to use miracle or a supernatural birth to prove his love?
@sunnyside i am 3wks old lwkmd make una see ? o!

Anonymous said...

@Blasphemy...

The procreaton was between the God and Mary via the holy spirit.
In Luke 1:36.. it says... "the holy spirit would come upon her (Mary) and the power of the most high would overshadow you (mary). so the baby would be holy and he would be called the son of God"..Luke 1:35.
Looking at the circumstance of this event, it is clearly different from the events in the portions of the Bible u quoted in this write-up.
Again, dont forget that God the father, God the Son and God the holy spirit are one!
Cheers!

Mercy

Enoch said...

@Anonymous
The same Luke that does not know when they gave birth to Jesus is describing how it happened? Ridiculous.

calabarboy said...

In the context of what you have said, There is no where in the bible it is written that God has only one son. For the fact that it states that we are his children therefore we are sons and daughters of God. But read somewhere in hebrews, it is written that he is the first born of creation. And also there is another portion that it is written that through him everything was made and without him nothing that was made was made. So I think this is the strategic position of being so close to God. For him every other thing was made. secondly, God loves the whole world but is very angry with idolaters. The people that were driven out of the land were idolaters and committed all sort of sins but you realise that those of them that chose to stay within the boundaries of God's covenant, to those he showed mercy. Afterall Barak wasn't a jew but he was a prophet of God, Moses Father inlaw was not a jew but he was a prophet of God. Christ came to redeem everybody