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Saturday, October 3, 2009

ARE CHRISTIANS GULLIBLE COWARDS IN PURSUIT OF IMAGINARY SELF INTERESTS?


God in heaven. I am about to blaspheme in your name. Don't sit there and watch me do this. Strike me dead before I can finish this sentence. Ok how about this sentence? You know what? I'll give you till the end of the post.

Well if you can read this I guess he/she/it is having an orgy or perhaps a hangover from a slumber party. Please no comments defending God. He clearly wouldn't do it for himself and no comments about that "thou shalt not test God" crap either. Any such comments as well as comments claiming I'm hell bound, makes the case this post intends to.

My last post got criticized for being somewhat cryptic. This one would keep metaphors to a minimum and avoid compound sentences. I'll try to reduce the "I don't know what he is talking about" effect. Was going to go full controversial today but I don't have the time to tackle the ensuing comments. So, the controversy dial is on moderate.

Enoch believes there is as much evidence for a God as there is for the Easter Bunny. And as stated in his last post, Enoch believes faith is just a cool word for subtle insanity. He lusts after being part of something larger than himself and the knowledge of a higher purpose but does not let that urge lead him to grab onto any belief regardless of its legitimacy just for the sake of quenching his longing. Enoch was born a catholic and developed doubts after he couldn't reconcile confessing his "sins" to a mere mortal like himself. That disgust formed the core of what grew to be his outright rejection of all things faith. Enoch believes that Kids should not be groomed in any one religion and so deserve the right to choose for themselves prejudice-free upon reaching adulthood. He also believes that Christians born into the faith are too conditioned to see the folly of their beliefs and later in life are often just too cowardly to reject it as the lie that it is. Cowardice that really isn't due to any fault of theirs.

My most amusing recurrent experience involves Christians trying to convince me of the existence of God with quotes from a book whose history they know little about (A book they believe without doubt solely because the book demands that they should while threatening death for doubting.) And this is true for a disproportionate number of christians. They know Paul, Mathew, Mark, Luke, john, etc But have rarely ever heard of Papias of Hierapolis, Irenaeus of Lyons, Eusebius of Caesarea or any other of the handful of early Christian scholars that determined who authored what book in the Gospels. $60 bucks says 80% of Christians reading this do not know these men and the role they played in putting together the New Testament. They rarely know&couldn't care less that modern historians can not confidently decipher authorship of the gospels.

You see, that is my problem. Even if you are determined to believe, don't you owe yourself at least 5 to 10 minutes worth of research to have an objective sense of the history of the book you want to believe? As I have said repeatedly on this blog and as I often ask Christians; Who wrote the New Testament books? How do you know so? If learned folks can't tell, how can you? Do you know there were several books claiming to be authored by the disciples that were rejected? How do you know those were not the real books? How do you know that the devil hasn't carried out a sinister plot designed for you to read& believe crap?

Shouldn't it give a devout follower of Christ cause for concern to learn that the three authors of the new testament that speak about the timing of Jesus' birth give inconsistent details? Mathew claims it was in the time of Herod who died 4BC. Luke claims it was in the time of Augustus whose reign began in AD6 and John throws his own dice and claims its 18BC. I have said it a million times and I will say it again. If those scholars had their own agenda or are of poor judgment how can anyone be certain of the authorship of the Gospels? And if you insist on believing anyway, how can you confidently believe stories about imaginary winged creatures and a human-esque God from the same people that can't get right the date of birth of their lord and savior who they walked the earth with? And even if it were authored by the real disciples why are we obliged to believe them and say not Joseph Smith or Muhammad etc?

Little parable:
Imagine you've got $200,001 in your pocket(huge pocket) and some dude wants to sell you a treasure map that leads to a billion dollar gold chest. He demands $200,000 for this map. The map has a scribbling on the right corner that claims it is authentic. It also makes one of those claims common to silly chain emails; "If you doubt this map and do not seek the treasure, you die in three days." Wouldn't it be gullible and cowardly to buy this map and believe it because the map itself claims its legit? Wouldn't it be just as cowardly to reject suggestions of subterfuge because you've spent all your life seeking the fictitious treasure? If the treasure was eternal life, wouldn't the map deserve the least bit of research and oodles of doubt?

Lets call a spade a spade. A good number of religious folks/Christians are just gullible cowards and others are driven by self interest to make it to heaven by all means. While some are cowards because of the fear of eternal damnation others are cowards because they've invested too much in a lie and are just too cowardly to cut their losses. Too scared to even consider an opposing idea let alone accept one as truth especially if it is more depressing than the lie they've embraced. Not to mention the ones that are too cowardly to imagine/handle life without a higher purpose. Too cowardly to see life as the empty struggle that it is, so they make up fact-free feelgood stories and believe them and call it having faith. Truth makes no accommodations for feelings.

About half a dozen more questions:

If the hell portion was taken out of religion how many religious followers would remain? If the heaven portion was taken out of religion, how many followers would loose motivation? If Jesus,Allah, yaweh, shows up with a global megaphone and goes like "Hey guys, we've decided heaven and hell were bad ideas. We hereby scrap them. see you later." How many religious folks would scream "Thank God!!" and how many would want to litigate?

Why does the Cristian God deem it necessary to threaten her creatures with eternal fire? And tantalize them with everlasting life? If she really wanted to know those that love her why doesn't she just leave the hell/heaven part out of her book and surprise us after death? Is there any such thing as an omnipotent omniscient being? Is such a being "wise enough to make a rock it can't lift?" I don't think any all powerful being that demands love and discipleship under the threat of eternal death deserves either. Creator or not, hellfire or hellfreezer; She should spend eternity alone or with her singing stones/whatever. But then she is no more real than the tooth fairy that controls the sphincter in my ass.


Is "Christian" a synonym for "gullible coward in pursuit of imaginary self-interests"?

36 comments:

Myne Whitman said...

"Enoch was born a catholic and developed doubts after he couldn't reconcile confessing his "sins" to a mere mortal like himself. That disgust formed the core of what grew to be his outright rejection of all things faith."

Hi honey, is that what happened? Let it all out OK? I will suggest yoga if you don't do that already.

Ehn, where were we, gullible cowards eh? Thanks for the diagnosis. LWKMD

Reine D'Afrique said...

Oh My
now this explains alot.

Controversy said...

WIN WIN WIN WIN
SO true @ 60$ says that 80% of the christians reading this don't know jackshit of the names u just mentioned.
Moreover, so true @ don't u @ least owe urself 5-10 minutes of history so u can have an objective sense of the history of the book you want to tell.
I've said it to that if the "hell" portion was taken out of the bible, hella ppl would breathe a sigh of relief. Just plain ridiculous, I don't understand how people can go their whole lives living a life of complete and utter ignorance of what they claim to have faith in. I know hella christians that claim to be firebrand christians, but I know the bible or i am sometimes able to know the bible inside our more than them..
P.S Btw Enoch did umm the man upstairs strike u down with thunder yet?

Enoch said...

@Myne
"Thanks for the diagnosis."
You are welcome.

@Sacred
Nothing new here

@Controversy
"did umm the man upstairs strike u down with thunder yet?"
He had hid chance. I'm looking out for a flood or a plague. You know, the usual tools of a genocidal maniac.

Reine D'Afrique said...

You guys are great sport.
I hope you exclude me from 60%
now that you know so much about Christian History and theology, why don't you give me a lesson on how Wikipedia has taught u alot about christianity

Enoch said...

@Africanqueen
You really amaze me. I have ignored your Wikipedia chant three times in a row yet you remain adamant. I will have you know that I am not your run off the mill crackpot you meet everyday. I don't believe blindly like you do. Unlike you, I actually check stuff up. If what I know amazes you, I'll continue to take it as a compliment.

I own a copy of "The making of the New Testament By Arthur Patzia" look it up while you prep for your next Wikipedia Orgasm.

nonny said...

Sigh! Looooooooooooonnnnngggg! Anyhoo. Once again, i repeat: 'You cannot defend Christianity or crucify people for believing in it. what fun is it in bringing scientific proof as to if Santa Claus exists or not.


Those that believe will believe and those that won't will not. Sigh. We are not cowards. We just believe in something that defines what is good or bad.


Because some decide to bend rules for their selfish interests, don't make it our stereotype.

nonny said...

Btw, most people do not know that Roman Emperor Diocletian was responsible for killing saint Nicholas but it does not stop any1 from celebrating Christmas. :P

Controversy said...

@ ENoch
loooool @ the usual tools of a genocidal maniac.
Hahaha got love for this post

Ehn i think there is a form of cowardice to it o Nonny.


Lol @ ur reply to african queen

Controversy said...

Lol and nonny most ppl should know that up until Constantinople adopted Christianity as the official religion of the kingdom.. Christians where oucastsss

Enoch said...

@nonny
MY LOVE LETTER!!!!
I am not crucifying Christianity. It is a stillborn religion, it pretty much crucified itself. I am just making true observations. I have no interest in snatching people away from their beliefs, but I love to point out how ridiculous it is and how silly they are for believing nonsense.

Bending rules? Stereotype? The rules itself are founded on the virtues of cowardice and selfishness.
MY LOVE LETTER!!!!

@Controversy
Long drive ahead. Got a party to attend 5 hours away.

Reine D'Afrique said...

Patzia? really?
you actually have a copy of that book?

well, what you say mostly is general knowledge. Any Bible Scholar can tell you that. They should be able to tell of a book's authenticity and its authorship. Canonization of the Bible is not a new theory that you bring about. It is common knowledge, on who the patriarchs were, that made up the Alexandrian and apostolic scholars.
But that is common knowledge. So what I am saying is...give me depth in your analsis and criticism

goodness said...

Here we go again, with another "I grew up in a Christian home, so I believe I know all there is to know about God and Christianity".
You know, here we go again with the "I read a book or two or three about the cannon, selections, deletion, of the new testament or old testament, and SO therefore, I believe that I am smarter than everyone else in the world".

Oh Oh, wait wait, I got more.. Here we go again with the "My parents made me go with them to church, and didn't really give me a chance to develop my on personal blah blah blah blah".
Nah, I ain't done yet, Here we go again with the whole "I decided christianity wasn't for me after I was told I had to confess my sins to a mortal like myself".

I mean, goodness gracious, do you hear yourself? You actually think God will strike you dead because you 'command' him to? You really think even if he wanted to do it, he would do it when you were expecting it? It is when you say things like this, that I am forced to believe that you really do not know nor have you really ever pursued knowing God.

Just because you grew up in church, does not mean you know all about God. I tell people all the time "It is hard(er) to preach Christ to those who feel as though 'they've heard it all'. Those who were in choir from the age of 4-16, those who quoted and knew all the 'memory verse' there is to know!".

It really is hard(er). I say this because I was one of those people, as I can tell you are too. Here's the thing though, you see when you were growing up, you were pretty much doing 'what you were told'. you were in the choir because you could sing, and mummy probably said you should join. You were good with memory verse because you had good memory and could cram for days. But all of these things do not really define Christianity.

You need to seek GOD for your own self. Try to forget your "sunday school" view of God. You need to ask him to show himself to you. And then you can have evidence. You will not find what you do not look for.
This is the mistake that many make. They grow up, and feel as though they'd been pressured into believing into God, and then doubt sets in. Instead of going to God and asking him to show himself in more ways, instead of them to just with their whole heart and might dig deep into the word of God... They take the little they seem to have memorized in sunday school, plus all of their pastors preachings that 'sounded wrong to them', and run off with it, saying that there is no God.

You are right when you say Hell and Heaven is the reason most people follow Religion. That's why I say I am a Christ-follow, not a religion follower. This might be too deep for you right now, so I won't really go into it. It pains me when I hear pastors and sunday school teachers tell people, kids that they will go to hell if this, or if that. It seems that everything is now between Hell and heaven. It's no longer for the love of Christ, and it's no longer because Christ died for us. Because he loved us first.
Fear is what is now being instilled in people. Fear of hell! And the Bible says it's not our works but our faith that will get us into heaven.
You can be a saint and do no wrong from now till when you die, but as long as you do not truly believe in JESUS, You will not enter into the kingdom of God.

Your reason for rejection of all things Faith is really not something that should have kicked you to the curb. You were right for not believing that a mere man can forgive you ur sins, because ONLY GOD CAN. And instead of running to God, You picked this one thing, and decide to use it as ur bases for running away from him.

I pray for you. Are Non-Christians like you Cowards? Cowards who keep saying there's no proof of a God they've never sought out to find (on their own, with a clear and focused mind)?
Are non-Christians like you Cowards who also don't have any proof that there is NO God, aside from the same old same old "If there was a God, I believe he should ....be this way or that way".

Controversy said...

@ Goodness
Lol just from an objective point, lol @ the jokes on your comment, they were pretty funny lol. Got me crackin up.. But to argue against ur point about God not strikin him with thunder? Honestly, in your how many years of being chrisitan I am positive that u've heard other ppl apart from enoch criticise God. Have those people ever been struck by thunder?
@ least u agree that it is feear nawadays that is being preached and instilled in churches. But u as a christ follower, again explain to me how u seek christ in "spirit" and in "truth".

Enoch said...

@goodness
goodness gracious. Aren't you a bundle of assumptions!?! The confession story was the ignition that led to other events that caused my doubt to snowball. I was a charismatic Catholic that went as far as prophesying. I have sought God in prayer and in worship and in deeds offering myself as a living sacrifice. He is a figment of our imagination.

"You actually think God will strike you dead because you 'command' him to". Do you expect God to answer your prayers because you command him to? Oh I forget, you guys take liberties to ascribe events to God and Satan as you see fit.

Who is claiming to be smarter than everyone else? I couldn't care less if I was a moronic dude with down syndrome to boot that doesn't make the bible any less fictitious and God any more real. What did I point out that was untrue? They were all factual observations.

"Are non-Christians like you Cowards who also don't have any proof that there is NO God, aside from the same old same old "If there was a God, I believe he should ....be this way or that way". Like I said, I have sought God.

The absence of evidence is not evidence of presence. The same way that no one can prove there is no God is the same way no one can prove a quadrillion other things. Why don't you go ahead and believe them all and worship them?

Answer me this. Have you sought God on your own "with a clear and focused mind"? Tell me what you found.

goodness said...

"Answer me this. Have you sought God on your own "with a clear and focused mind"? Tell me what you found".

Even If I told you, You will say it isn't so. You will tell me that whatever I said was just a figment of my imagination, so what is the point?
When I was looking for God, trying to show him my Million gazzillions reasons why I didn't believe in him, I found NOTHING my friend. When my mind was only focused on telling him that if he was God, he would... do this, He would do that, He would be this, He would be that... I FOUND NOTHING!

Then I asked myself, What is it that I have not done? The answer was that I needed to empty myself, and let him fill me up. Surrender all to him, and let him know that without him I am nothing.

It started out with me just saying, "Okay, so Agreed, there's someone out there bigger than me, Just the thought of that got me thinking, aight ... Show urself to me, I actually want to feel you. I discard of all my previous opinion about you, If you are out there, and you are God, I wanna feel you!".
And that was how it started. I started by praying. You pray to him, Focusing on him... Your all on him. You just send the prayer out there, and NO, I do not 'command' God to answer my prayers. When I pray to God, I pray because I Believe, not because I am daring him! You dare him, because you don't believe he can. You dare him just so you can laugh.

Once again, You cannot move God, But my friend, do not be fooled He can move you when he chooses to.
A word is enough for the wise, because I believe deep down inside of me, that You guys with this blog ARE indeed wise. But you direct your energy and minute wisdom towards what you shouldn't.

You know deep down that if you only take a leap of faith, you will find God. Yes I said You know. You want human-like answers to the things of God, and it doesn't work that way.

@ Controversy, Look at it this way, you have a man in a city who many thinks of as GREAT, good, nice, powerful e.t.c. But you greatly doubt that this man is all that people crack him up to be.

The Man in question however, knows about you, and has heard that you don't believe he is all that He is.

Then One day, You in all of your doubtful, sarcastic, cynic way decided that okay okay, you'll go knock on the man's door yourself, just to take a look in his house, and have a word with him, you know, kinda get him to show you who he really is.

You begin your journey to this man's house, on your way.. you buy a camera, so that you can take a picture of the inside of his house, already planning how you can write a blog about the big T.V he has in his house while some people living in ur neighborhood don't have a T.V.
Then, you are walking, you are going... The MAN of course knows you're on your way, and he's wondering.. "Hmmm, will this boy really knock on my door with all of the things he thinks about me"?

Then finally you get to the front door to this man's house.. You knock and a girl opens the door, This girl tells you that "Master said unless you are clean, and have no doubt that he is who HE IS, you cannot enter into his house, and you'll never see who he really is".
You decided that and said "Oh little girl, get out of my way, and tell your Master, that if he really is who he is, he should use thunder and send me out. You yell like a crazy man. Your master should come here let me see him!.

At the end of the day, You couldn't enter the house, and you didn't see her master.

Are you following me so far?

Is the master to be blamed? Even after he told you what it would take for you to see him, you refused.
For you to seek him in spirit and in truth, you need to get rid of every doubt. Get rid of everything you have convinced yourself to be 'the truth', and just go to him!

A prayer starts it all.

Enoch said...

@goodness gracious
I'm sending this from my phone while driving for two reasons. 1 taking risks making it easier for God to strike. 2 u were so hilliarious with the whole I want to feel god yarns. What does it feel like? Where do you feel him? I'm just curious; does he feel like a ticklish feeling between your legs?

Please tell us what you found I promise I'll not make fun of you too much. Are you ashamed to share your god with us?

Bubbles said...

From Miss Lore
She tweeted her comment to me...

" Sometimes ignorance is bliss, isn't it a bit sadistic that you don't believe in and you enjoy mocking people that do? It is not by force to believe in God and if you don't then let it be. Me I don't understand all these atheists. Like people's fascination with disproving God, is your point not to take people away from their beliefs? So explain your point because it is very contradictory.

Furthermore if you don't believe in God, why spend so much time studying him? I mean it's pointless and people like you seriously get on my nerves. If your point is to get the truth, why don't you sit back and wait till you die to find out where you will end up then you will know for sure. Me I don't know how one can deny the existence of God after all the juju you see in Naij, that must surely tell you that there are supernatural beings and if your point is that there is a God who does not intervene with everyday life, then how do you explain modern day miracles? I am not sure what kind of truth you are looking for or what sort of truth you are trying to reveal but if you don't believe in God stop blogging about him... and why is it only Christians you challenge, there are other religions.

Seriously rather looserish behavior. Get over yourself, you seem to act like you are better than us, but you are not, we all trying we are all trying to live our lives how we see fit. So really get a life and leave us to live ours. And the point you made about why God has to threaten & promise? Well that is a valid point but just like every parent if ur kid fucks up, then u have to punish then and to be honest he has given u a choice, its up to you really what u do.

Also in defence of my faith, Jesus whom I serve is the ancient of days believe that. and he teaches
love, u can discredit the validity of the bible but u can never discredit that. As I said before curiosity killed the cat.


oh and p.s: if u are waiting for Jesus to strike u for this post then u are on a long thing, for he will not be mocked like that. If u are not for him you cannot call on him and expect him to answer u. So pls wait for when u die and see where u end up then u'll know if God truely exists or not, cuz even all this research u are doing how do u know its true?

Bubbles said...

Miss Lore (cont)

I hope u find this something bigger that you are looking for, and I think being aethist is just a word for outright foolishness, and to understand everything about the world is impossible because we do not know we can only hold on to what we believe.the only way u will get answers is to die, so jump off a damn cliff and then u will get ur truth and that something bigger logic & rationality is not everything, sometimes its best not to delve into things, becuz shit like this is bigger than u & me.

Bubbles said...

Miss Lore (cont)

If what is truely bothering u about religion is the validity of the accounts..then you either don't think about it and if it is doing ur body so much to find the truth or abi this something bigger again hop off a damn cliff, or poison urself.

there are diff reasons for ppl believing in God. But that's the whole point to believe in God it doesn't matter that its because ur scared of hell or u want heaven, the point is u believe the motivation to believe could be anything

Bubbles said...

Miss Lore (cont)

if u have been there done that with christianity and now u believe God doesn't exist. What is the point of ur cont research of him wouldn't u be better of devoting ur time to something else? Cuz even me as a christian I don't do this much research because I believe in Jesus and the point is to love which I try to do everday, every other ritual in the name of God is what it is it is only my love for Jesus (which is believing in him) & my neighbours that will take me to heaven not how much I seek to validate the bible all what ur saying is nonsense the bible is a point of reference not rules.

Controversy said...

@ Bubbles
Why does this "miss lore" seem like she's typing out of fear? So she hasn't done research on something that she claims to believe? Like that is news? @ least she's honest, but again I am disappointed in this her long comment.
So because curiosity killed the cat, we should not delve into matters concerning us? I thank God that not every human has ur mindset, or we would still be in the dark ages.

Controversy said...

@ goodness
I am going to assume that u are a guy and refer to u as bros..
U said prayer starts it all, my broda please u are preachin to the choir. I was once a christian, I did not always doubt. Yes there is probably something out there bigger than us, but my broda I will ask u again. How do u talk to God? is it a two way communication or is it just one way? How does his voice sound like? What does he look like? Have u touched him? All these questions are what a reasonable man would ask

Bubbles said...

From Miss Lore

I am not typing out of fear, I'm just saying I don't get the point of what ur doing, its not compulsory one must understand all things, I'm assuning ur much older than me so u should know this, instead of concerning urself with things that are beyond u enjoy your life seeing that you have only one to live. The point is no one will really ever know till u die whether there is a God or not. All this analysing etc will get u no where ot will just create more theories and at the end of the day u will believe what u will. And of course I have no time to research lol I'm to busy enjoying my freshers week to be bothered by something I know I won't get the answers to. So take my advice and chill. Believing that Jesus loves me is enough for me, believe that.I don't need to do any research to see whether its true or not, all accounts of history are never 100% accurate so yh chill, I'm going back to bed because I'm tired as fuck lol need to have a chilled day too much partying I suggest u do the same, u should try skanking its the best shit that ever happened to dancing. Love & live

EDJ said...

This is HILARIOUS.
So Enoch, Controversy, etc, We are now to believe that YOU are the brave ones? Because you've decided to ask questions?
As we say in Nigeria, Achievement oh!! Make una clap for yourselves. You guys are so brave!

LMFAO.

I agree with Bubbles:
"...if you don't believe in God, why spend so much time studying him? I mean it's pointless and people like you seriously get on my nerves"

Every time one of you "non-believers" decides to bash Christianity you do it with the assumption that you are better than us, smarter than us, and apparently "braver" than us. The logic is amazing. God has not struck you with lightning therefore he must not exist? Congrats. I hope you remain lightning free.

So you ask questions? Big deal! EVERYONE has questions. I would argue that faith is harder to pull off than disbelief. YOU GUYS chose the easy way out. It's easier to discard something than try to fix & understand it.

Also Enoch, your faith in science is astonishing for someone who discards the bible because it is written by humans. So, because some guy wrote something about Christianity then he must be right? How is that different from a Christian believing things in the bible? You think something makes more sense because a bunch of scientists peer reviewed a book and manipulated data to support their theory? Isn't everything you read written by humans? It is ok for you to point out books as sources of information/inspiration for your lack of faith, but a Christian is "cowardly" for reading another book different from yours? Na wah oh.

Controversy said...

@ Bubbles/Miss Lore
Let me explain to you why I seek to know "all things". There was a time when people thought we could not possible fly in the sky, two men challenged that theory and now we are able to fly in the sky. There was a time when people believed sincerely that the earth was flat, one man challenged that theory. (Galileo). There was a time when people just like yourself thought that we could never ever get out of the earth and into "space" the russians challenged that belief and so did the americans. All these people could have taken the "stance" u had on life and said "Oh am to busy to do research and seek to find out whether we can achieve what we set out to achieve/find the truth of the universe" But they did not, they persevered, they researched, they sat down to "think" and "calculate" and thats where success came from. Miss Lore, if that is the attitude u have about life, then I weep for you o. U would prefer to live in ignorance, because ignorance is bliss? Same way ur forefathers, thought killin twins was a good thing abi? Or same way thousands of children were killed because they were deemed ogbanje? Indeed, we might come off as being smarter than u all, but if that is what ur focusin on then I am disappointed in both you and EDJ.
There are three things i just want you all to do, u do not have to agree with "Enoch", Controversy and Blasphemy. Just do these three things for us.
1. Question your beliefs1. Question with boldness.
2. Hold onto the truth, even if you don't like it, because it IS the truth.
3. Speak without fear

I do not care if u agree with any of these blogposts or if u disagree. So long as u do these three things above, then we are good. Don't say that u are to busy to do research, u are cursing urself. U want to live in ignorance? I sincerely agree with socrates when he said an Unexamined life is not worth living.

Bubbles said...

Controversy
I clearly stated that Miss Lore tweeted her comment(s) to me
so don't direct your reply at me
get it together

Enoch said...

@Bubbly Lore/Alluring Bubble/Lure into a bubble
"Furthermore if you don't believe in God, why spend so much time studying him?" How can you study what does not exist? I'm simply observing human ignorance and pointing it out.

"like you seriously get on my nerves." So?

"if you don't believe in God stop blogging about him" Yes Madam!

"So really get a life and leave us to live ours" How am I disturbing your life? By throwing out some true ideas?


"Also in defence of my faith, Jesus whom I serve is the ancient of days believe that. and he teaches love, u can discredit the validity of the bible but u can never discredit that." Does not deserve an intelligent response.

"oh and p.s: if u are waiting for Jesus to strike u for this post then u are on a long thing, for he will not be mocked like that." I told you at the start of the post not to do this. My daring God was done for many reasons. Doubt you can figure them out.

"being aethist is just a word for outright foolishness" thank you for that piece of wisdom.

"and to understand everything about the world is impossible because we do not know we can only hold on to what we believe" another piece of wisdom. I believe you are a one legged pirate. I don't know for sure. But I will hold unto that belief.

"If what is truely bothering u about religion is the validity of the accounts..then you either don't think about it and if it is doing ur body so much to find the truth or abi this something bigger again hop off a damn cliff, or poison urself." Yes Madam. I will hop off a damn cliff while not thinking about it and poison myself on the way down.

"there are diff reasons for ppl believing in God. But that's the whole point to believe in God it doesn't matter that its because ur scared of hell or u want heaven, the point is u believe the motivation to believe could be anything" You deserve Koboko for this nonsense.

"now u believe God doesn't exist. What is the point of ur cont research of him " I did that while I was still in darkness. That research amongst other things brought me to the light.

"me as a christian I don't do this much research because I believe in Jesus and the point is to love which I try to do everday, every other ritual in the name of God is what it is it is only my love for Jesus (which is believing in him) & my neighbours that will take me to heaven not how much I seek to validate the bible all what ur saying is nonsense the bible is a point of reference not rules." This sums up the core of Christian ridiculousness.

"Believing that Jesus loves me is enough for me," Why don't you just believe that Satan loves you? Why isn't that enough?

EDJ said...

"Indeed, we might come off as being smarter than u all, but if that is what ur focusin on then I am disappointed..."

Excuse you? You come off as THINKING you are smarter. No one actually said you ARE. Every time one of you brings up a problem in Christianity you do it with obvious condescension and disrespect.

It is clear you THINK Christians are not as smart as you are because you feel that you have stumbled upon some heretofore undiscovered truth?! Well I have news for you. There is NOTHING--absolutely NOTHING--you can bring up that Christians have not questioned themselves. Haven't you seen those comments here? Of Christians saying they've asked themselves the same questions and then decided to continue with their religion anyway?

You are NOT "smarter" or more "logical" for picking up on discrepancies. We ALL know there are problems.
I have a problem with statements like: "...the folly of their beliefs..." or "...just too cowardly to reject it as the lie that it is..."

I don't have to fixate on the intelligence thing, because it is constantly being thrown in my faith as a Christian. I'm "foolish" for believing, I'm a "coward" for not throwing out my religion.

But you are better because...?

Controversy said...

I will speak for myself, I am not better than any christian. I will simply say this, christians as u said EDJ will think of the same questions, but will refuse to seek answers.. The answer is always out there, u have to pursue IT...

Enoch said...

@EDJ
While typing this, I am striking a pose typical of a brave achiever.

Lemme see if my hangover can permit me a fleeting moment of coherence.

"I agree with Bubbles:
"...if you don't believe in God, why spend so much time studying him? I mean it's pointless and people like you seriously get on my nerves" "

Like I said to Lore/Bubbles. I did my research when it was necessary. It saved my life from the cold hands of Christian ignorance.

"Every time one of you "non-believers" decides to bash Christianity you do it with the assumption that you are better than us, smarter than us"
Cite one sentence of mine that harbors that assumption. Quit projecting.

"The logic is amazing. God has not struck you with lightning therefore he must not exist?" Did I say so? My suggestion was that he was busy perhaps having an orgy. I dared the idea which you call God for many reasons.

"I would argue that faith is harder to pull off than disbelief." Please make that case.

"So, because some guy wrote something about Christianity then he must be right? How is that different from a Christian believing things in the bible?"

That question gets to the heart of the nature of truth. Truth is that difficult to get at. In absolute terms, its only evidence is testing for one's self. Like many other techniques I use to communicate with Christians, my quoting such works permits me to work within the framework of Christian belief. So you reinforce my underlying point; you can't cherry pick which stories to believe. Testing for ones self is the only true barometer of truth.

Believing a book with untestable ideas is taking that fact for granted in the extreme. The same guys that decided on the authors of your bible are the same guys that wrote everything I said about the history of the New Testament. It is taken as fact by the church. That's for you guys to struggle with, I don't believe what I have no evidence for.

Like Rene Descartes said "If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things."

If I divulge the extent to which i disbelieve things, including my own consciousness, you'll conclude I'm loco assuming you haven't done that already.

"It is ok for you to point out books as sources of information/inspiration for your lack of faith, but a Christian is "cowardly" for reading another book different from yours?"

Straw-man argument. Don't act like you don't get what I was talking about. The Christian message exploits fear and has been very successful at doing that. In addition, it is human nature to fear relinquishing lifelong held beliefs. Also, lots of folks fear the idea of life being all it appears to be. When you allow these fears dictate your beliefs Enoch says you're a coward. Doubt that you missed it but that is the nature of the cowardice I pointed out. It is only more ridiculous when you consider that it is gotten from a book with untestable ideas.

Controversy said...

yep @ straw man argument..
Misrepreentin the other person's view.
Enoch lol am actually studyin fallacies right now lol. And I just came across straw man lol as part of my hw.

Enoch said...

@Controversy
Studying fallacies? I envy you. Got to write some Java for hw.

Heard of Ayn Rand? She has some interesting ideas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ukJiBZ8_4k

@Sacred Reine D'Afrique
From Wikipedia to common knowledge. Common knowledge you agree 80% of Christians don't know.

What in depth analysis are you referring to?

Olafusi Michael O. said...

@Enoch
I have researched quite extensively on my Christian faith. I do not agree with your claim of disparities between Luke, Matthew and John.
I know their so many controversial events that took place in the church history.

Controversy said...

@ Olafusi
Sure

Enoch said...

Matthew 2:1 says Herod was king. Look up the time of his death.

Luke 2:1–2 says Cyrenius was governor of Syria. Look up the start date of his reign.

Do the math.