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Wednesday, February 17, 2010

NO MAN/WOMAN IS INFALLIBLE



My people how una dey? Sorry for being MIA but school and everything else in my life has been keeping me busy. Somuch has gone on in my life that I am not at liberty to share. So I am debating whether to stop blogging or just create a totally new blog of my own in which it becomes 'invitation only' but we shall see sha.
(Shoutout to Miss Fab)

So today, there is this one guy in my Nigerian Student Organization at my school that I detest right, and sometimes this dude acts so 'two-faced' that I just can't help holding my disdain for him. But if there is one thing I've learnt, it is that no matter how much you detest a person, no matter how much an individual/person disgusts you should never ever let it cloud your 'judgement' especially if the person raises a good point. We had an 'executive board meeting' and well this guy and my president were in disagreement. Bear in mind that the president of my organisation is my very good friend and I stick up for him. But this guy that disgusts me was raising a lot of 'good/solid points' and you know me LOL I am a sucker for 'reason and logic'. I don't care how much I hate you, if your arguments are solid and rationale, I would commit suicide before I let my friendship with anybody come in the way of reason and logic. And so why they were arguing, I was just thinking to myself that in the 'olden days' when a brova was still not in his logical phase, I would have jumped to support my friend without caring about what this other dude was saying simply because I did not like him. But during the whole back and forth between the two of them, I maintained my silence and after it was done I did not correct my president right there and then, I waited till the other dude had left and I told him that 'the other dude was right and that he himself was wrong' and you know what they call that where I come from? Wisdom and Tact. I have seen/heard or I will probably see/hear people comment and say that 'If you were a good friend, you would not bother being afraid to correct him in public and to those people I say this, 'Tact' is the act of making a point without making an enemy, you see there is something called pride/ego and most human beings have it in excess amounts. If one does not learn how to make a point without bruising/injuring a person's ego, one is bound to have a lot of enemies. Do not flatter yourself that a close friendship authorizes you to say 'disagreeable things'  to your close friends. The nearer you come into relation with a person, the more necessary do tact and courtesy become. (shoutout to Lady X)

I could have corrected my presido right there while that other dude was there, but I refused to give the other guy the satisfaction of knowing that I agreed with him, lest the next time he makes a weak argument he assumes that I will be in favor of him.(U know how somepeople sha think).

So I was just thinking about the amount of people in my life that I look up to as mentors, and a lot of people do not know this but I honestly learn a lot from people and then they'll tell me am 'wise' or 'smart' when in reality they are the ones who are 'wise' and 'smart'. I am just the dude who asks questions. Plus if there is one thing I have noticed among human beings, it is that tendency to attach 'supernatural/infallible status' to their heroes.
Infallibility - when a person/persons is considered exempt or immune from liability to error or to failure.
In other words, when a person is considered 'perfect' and is not capable of committing a mistake/sinning.


You see people thinking that people like MLK, Ghandi, Jesus, Prophet Mohammed, Socrates, Pope are infallible. And most times, what we know about these 'great people' are accounts written by people who were 'closest' to them. I am of the opinion that nobody and nothing is 'infallible'. Whether you be a God or a man or a devil, nobody is infallible or perfect. Moreover, do we honestly expect that people closest to these 'great people' would give a 'fair and balanced' account of their 'Heroes/leaders/mentors'? Much of what we know about Socrates was written by Plato his favorite student, but we take what he says as Truth even though Plato presents Socrates as being 'almost infallible', same thing goes for Jesus, most of what we know about Jesus was written by his disciples right? Do we honestly expect them to give a 'fair and balanced' account of their leader/mentor?? Jesus is also presented as being 'infallible' and there is also this thing called 'Papal Infallibility' in the catholic church which says - It is a dogma in Catholic theology that , by action of the Holy Spirit, the pope is preserved from even the possibility of error when he declares that his teachings on faith and morals were divine revelation from God". Basically, it's saying that the pope once in this state is not possible of committing a mistake/error. Case in point, anybody remember last year when the pope said 'condoms do not protect against aids', that statement right there was an example of papal infallibility and and no good catholic should doubt what the pope said. Now do any of you really believe that nonsense he said about condoms? It's almost like telling most people to give an account about their 'mothers', most people love their 'moms' right? See leggy's post for example (Shoutout to Leggy btw), she talked about her Dad right? If you read her post you will see that she presented both the good and the bad of her popsy. Now read what she wrote about her momsy she presented her momsy in the best of lights, but she did not go as far as giving or telling the 'other side of her momsy's personality' as she did for her dad. Is this because her momsy is the best thing since 'slice bread'? Nope. But again it's just that thing with human beings, we tend to 'gloss' over the 'facts' about people we love and admire. Most people usually present their mothers in glorious terms, so how then would you expect such people to present their mothers in a 'fair and balanced' manner with no hyperbole/exxageration? Same thing goes for our 'Heroes' like Ghandi, Jesus, Socrates, etc

As I was saying, I look upto a lot of people as MENTORS but I would never and I repeat I would never ever fall into the 'illusion/delusion' of thinking that my mentor/pastor/pope/leader is 'Infallible'. As long as you are human you will make a MISTAKE and you are capable of making MISTAKES/SINNING/BACKSLIDING etc. NO HUMAN IS INFALLIBLE, and whether it is possible for God to be infallible, that is to be debated.
(Shoutout to Vera)

P.S - NUFF SAID about that Manchester United vs AC Milan game. If by now you did not know that ManU is the best club in the world, please go and write it down somewhere.

28 comments:

2cute4u said...

First here and I'm loving it.. No man is infallible, so please try to remove Jesus from that category cause he's no man else we go fight like say we two dey jos..You spent your time hyping yourself on how you have tact and all that the infallibility issue came later, lol, but it's you so I'd endure cause I love you( try not to roll your eyes)
Ehn ehn, don't be gone this long again, cause it's not good for my health oh.. that said, take care..
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Aradi said...

First post. Suck it, others!! Woop!

Uhm, right.

I agree with the main gist of it all. People tend to blow their heroes out of proportion. A good example of this is Bob Marley, who had about a million flaws but has a larger than life image because of his charisma, great music, and mesmerising dance moves and hips.

I also agree about Socrates. I am surprised at how highly you regard him seeing as almost nothing that is known about him is fact. MLK must have also had his flaws, he did attempt suicide twice.

The thing is, the flaws of these great men (not all of them, I believe the Pope thing is done just to make him immune from questions; he is no Pope John Paul II, his ignorant comments about Islam attest to that. His predecessor had an Islamic Ambassador while Pope Benedict has shut the department down)... anyway. The flaws of these great men should not come into the way of anything. Quite frankly speaking, they are bigger than their flaws. They defeated it and did extraordinary things that seperated them from other people. Nelson Mandela, Malik Al-Shabbaz (yeah.. you just know him as Malcolm X), Gandhi... these are the supermen.

Take Gandhi for example; he slept with young virgins on his bed without sleeping with them to test his unwavering self-control. He went on extraordinary lengthy food-strikes to unite a warring people. He put all personal tendencies aside to promote peace between the Hindus and Muslims of India; when a man from one faction (forgot which) that killed a boy from the other faction vowed to hold peace, Ghandi gave him an orphan from the other side to raise. Whatever the flaws of this man are... you can't take away the fact that he is superman.

And about Prophet Muhammad? I'll just let Gandhi do the talking:

"I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind.... I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of that great life."

Make of that what you will.

Aradi said...

Curses, my first-ness has been foiled!

leggy said...

i love how you corrected your friend....i get soooooooo mad when a friend corrects me infront of someone i cant stand.im like seriously?
id appreciate that correction a lot more if you had waited or called me apart.
sometimes id stick up for my friends then later id tell them....shey you know that you were wrong?

Azazel said...

I totally agree Aradi, I would never say that their greatness is diminished due to their flaws...
Trust me I keep on repeating this to people, that they show separate the man from his/her work..
Leave their souls to either 'God' or something else.
Jesus was a man @ 2cute4u.

I feel it leggy, it doesn't hurt to just tell them later that padi mi, u were wrong o

El-Divine said...

true words azazel. I especially like the Jesus part. It is not far fetched that he would hv some failings, since the Bible said he bcame fully human and was tried in everythin as we are. I think nothing is more human than imperfection so its either he had his failings, or the bible lied. thing is, the hardest thing for people to do is to b objective. Thanx for the heads up!

Azazel said...

El Divine ur comment is truely one of the best I've seen..
Because Jesus being 'imperfect' does not take away anything from what he said

The Messiah said...

Bravo....5 star post here.

As long as you're human, you're fallible. All the great human beings you mentioned had only one thing in common: Their message. So I really suggest questioning, scrutinizing, and analyzing their messages rather than the messengers. For instance, I hate it when ppl where mad because Tiger Woods got Athlete of the Decade because of his scandal. WTF does having mistresses have to do with hitting eagles on the golf course. Or idiots claiming they'll stop listening to Kanye because of what he did to Taylor. The truth is these celebrities/mentors/idols are as mistake prone as the dumbasses that judge them. So again, analyze the message, not the messenger. If this is done, the delusion of human infallibility would be dissolved.

Azazel said...

Exactly Messiah, and u see a lot of people criticising the messenger and then refusing to analyze the message just because the messenger was fallible.
If a murderer says 'Murder is wrong', just because he has murdered does not mean his message is any less true

umar said...

my own view is on the man utd part. if u r really a fan, u will know we dont refer to our awesome club as "man u"..its rong. just sayin sha..man utd or utd is better..got this part i dey copy and paste from the official site..Why we dont refer to our Awesome Club as Ma*U ... Ma*U is not a term United fans refer to themselves as. The term is only used by other supporters as a complete and utter insult to our club. The "u" is meant to be "you" by the rival fans.
An early example of its usage is this chant by West Brom fans : "Duncan Edwards is manure, rotting in his grave, man you are manure - rotting in your grave". The origin of "Ma*U" is a song to insult the dead Duncan Edwards. Liverpool and Leeds fans copied this with their own man you /u versions to insult all of the lads who died at munich.
"Ma*U Ma*U went on a plane Ma*U Ma*U never came back again" and .......
"Ma*U Never Intended Coming Home" (if you combine the first letter of each word you get the word MUNICH)
I hope this makes it clearer that saying Ma*U is an insult, particularly to the older supporters and to see United fans using it now is shameful. I hope a few might read this, understand and spread the word.
So... Please REFRAIN from using this term ever again!!!!!!!
sorry o..if i dey do i too know..just wan spread gospel

Azazel said...

Hahaha Umar I stand corrected.
MANUTD it is lol

Myne Whitman said...

I totally agree with this, even Jesus accepted he had flaws when he prayed for forgiveness.

Azazel said...

Lol yep @ Myne

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Chuk said...

Eche its like u dont fully understand the meaning of God..God is no ordinary, regular human being..that is why HE IS GOD..we humans are fallible and are prone to sin and mistake..on the other hand, He is not..He can never and will never..thats what makes HIM GOD..its not within His nature..its not even possible..that is one of the distinguishers between us and Him..How can we worship someone that is imperfect and sinful like us..that is why He made us and wasnt made..that is why He knows all, van do all, and is everywhere

SOLOMONSYDELLE said...

nice write up.

@ Azazel: So you were looking for Isha's trouble, asking about only having been a virgin. Watch yaself oh! First we learn you are an asheo, now you won't allow that poor girl to be... =)

Azazel said...

Sure Chuk....
(I forget am arguing with a fanatic)
Lol Solomonsydelle
I did not know I had offended anybody o, who's Isha??

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Realist said...

true talk... if you look hard enough, everyone has flaws. Ghandi was racist, MLK was a womanizer, so on and so forth, its the message that matters not the vessel

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Original Mgbeke said...

Good job on not correcting your friend in front of his 'opponent'. You got it right on tact and wisdom.

African said...

Thanks Mgbeks

Tisha said...

Jesus is the son of God

he is not a great man

get it?

Azazel said...

Lol sure

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Eche its like u dont fully understand the meaning of God..God is no ordinary, regular human being..that is why HE IS GOD..we humans are fallible and are prone to sin and mistake..on the other hand, He is not..He can never and will never..thats what makes HIM GOD..its not within His nature..its not even possible..that is one of the distinguishers between us and Him..How can we worship someone that is imperfect and sinful like us..that is why He made us and wasnt made..that is why He knows all, van do all, and is everywhere